• KaneA
    8·
    7 hours ago

    Yeah, it seems a little odd to do a full ban for anyone under 18. Do they feel that all communities on there are not appropriate for minors?

    • Blaze (he/him) @lemmy.dbzer0.comOP
      10·
      10 hours ago

      It’s always a bit surprising when people reply from Misskey or Mastodon, I feel like I have to answer while they just comment generally

  • jadedwench [they/them]@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    222·
    16 hours ago

    That is a kind of shitty response from World and seems a little condescending to me, but tone is difficult. You are welcome here and I would rather you stay and interact with the rest of us than leave the fediverse. Your voice matters and I didn’t have the same outlets when I was your age.

    • sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
      141·
      14 hours ago

      Right… What are we trying to protect the kid here from…

      If he knows how to use fedi prolly already using Linux too… Anyone with Linux skills will figure a way around anything online tbh

      • corsicanguppy@lemmy.caEnglish
        18·
        12 hours ago

        If he knows how to use [fediverse sites][, he is] prolly already using Linux too… Anyone with Linux skills will figure a way around anything online [to be honest.]

        Yes, the same as if I lock a door someone breaking the rules will just climb in a window, and that should somehow be okay but isn’t.

      • vxx@lemmy.world
        312·
        13 hours ago

        I think it’s less about protecting the kid but about liability. You can just enter under 18, but they have to do something when you boast about it. It’s not as if check your ID.

  • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.comM
    397·
    20 hours ago

    PTB. This is unreasonable. Also trying to prevent teenagers from accessing the internet is just going to lead to all teenagers just lying about their age. It’s not going to stop it. It’s just going to mean they can’t discuss their actual opinions and issues honestly. It would also reinforce the need to lie to be part of culture, which is just not healthy.

    • bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works
      105·
      13 hours ago

      Teenagers lying about their age on the internet is as old as teenagers on the internet.

      Keeping the age barriers in place is good anyway. It communicates to younger people clearly that the content is not considered suitable for them. It gives them a moment to think and reconsider.

      Participating in online culture might be generally not healthy for adults as well.

        • PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
          420·
          19 hours ago

          What’s most important is that you got to feel smug.

          What’s most important is not having every fucking instance other than .world hanging from a legal thread. Isn’t your instance based in the E fucking U? That’s not exactly the wild fucking west as far as legal requirements for hosts go.

          Believe it or not, I don’t want any of this shit going down. I’m not fucking 20, I’m not full of vim and vigor. I don’t get a fucking thrill out of fighting with people online anymore. I question why I stay in these communities when everyone seems content to play chicken on the railroad tracks.

          • NSRXN@lemmy.dbzer0.com
            252·
            17 hours ago

            I don’t get a fucking thrill out of fighting with people online anymore.

            I find this hard to believe

            • PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
              12·
              2 hours ago

              I find this hard to believe

              I find it tedious and miserable. I engage for the same reason I can’t leave trash on the floor - the inaction irritates me more than the tedious action. If I find trash on the floor constantly in a public area, I’m more likely to leave than become a super-cleaner.

              • NSRXN@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                5·
                16 hours ago

                after two decades of unfettered internet access, I still love picking fights.

                maybe I’m just built different

          • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.comM
            202·
            18 hours ago

            Man, that constant “I’m the only adult in the room” vibe you try to have is getting obnoxious old.

            • PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
              420·
              18 hours ago

              Man, that constant “I’m the only adult in the room” vibe you try to have is getting obnoxious old.

              Yeah, I fucking agree. It’s getting real old being the only adult in the room. I didn’t realize the admins of most Lemmy instances were just winging it, thinking “Well, when it comes crashing down, it comes crashing down 😊”

              Utter zero-foresight techbro shite. Jesus Christ.

              • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.comM
                222·
                18 hours ago

                Sadly You’re not the real adult in the room. You’re just a smuglord who’s way too high on the smell of their own farts.

                • PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  217·
                  18 hours ago

                  Sadly You’re not the real adult in the room. You’re just a smuglord who’s way too high on the smell of their own farts.

                  Legit, I thought you took your instance more seriously than this. This is basic covering-your-ass shit.

  • Jack Hughman@lemm.ee
    148·
    16 hours ago

    I think an 18+ rule for an instance that allows porn or federates with porn instances is reasonable. And when you interact with another instance’s communities, you are beholden to their rules. And the admin who did it said they’re talking about changing the rule. So it’s not like they’re just trying to be dicks.

    So… I’m going to go with admins did what they had to, sag learned a tiny lesson about not giving people more information than they needed. I don’t want to say YDI, though.

  • NSRXN@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    4·
    16 hours ago

    ptb

    but…

    I think it’s great that we can expect actual rules and enforcement from instance admins, and have a chance to suss out the edges of these rules in open fora.

  • sag@lemm.ee
    61·
    19 hours ago

    @[email protected]

    Hey, I want your opinion on this matter. As you are currently admin of lemm.ee. Is my ban reasonable or just stupid? Whatever you will say I wil go with it.

      • sag@lemm.ee
        6·
        19 hours ago

        Most of the user on .world if they can’t even see my post what is point of posting :(

        • throwaway@lemmy.cafeEnglish
          2·
          8 hours ago

          There is still lots of people on other instances - and this could push people off .world.

        • yawn@lemm.eeEnglish
          11·
          18 hours ago

          You can always just make a fresh account (and don’t tell anybody)

        • sunaurus@lemm.ee
          9·
          18 hours ago

          I’m afraid .world users will also miss out on your mod actions in all of your communities, which is a particularly unfortunate side-effect.

          I don’t think it’s the end of the world (:P), though - .world is a big instance, but there are still tons of users on other instances. I mean, even in your communities, I don’t think .world is not making up the majority of activity.

          • Draconic NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com
            4·
            9 hours ago

            That’s a really problematic choice in the software. Mod actions should not be excluded/ignored even when a remote user is site banned, that can create dangerous situations for your server by allowing all mod actions to federate but not to your server. It just seems like a problem waiting to happen.

        • Blaze (he/him) @lemmy.dbzer0.comOP
          5·
          18 hours ago

          The other person suggested an alt without telling anyone, Ssems like the best outcome, really. That way LW can keep a blind eye to the thing, and your posts on your alts wouldn’t be banned from LW

      • sunaurus@lemm.ee
        20·
        18 hours ago

        I’m not sure why .world has the 18 age requirement - AFAIK GDPR only requires 16+ if you don’t specifically ask for parental consent. Of course, there is the matter of pornography etc, but for example Reddit allows 13+ users, and all they do for pornography is show an NSFW warning, which Lemmy also has (although this is a good point - maybe the NSFW toggle should be improved to explicitly ask users to confirm their age on Lemmy as well, similarly to how it works on Reddit).

        But at the end of the day, each instance is free to create whatever rules and processes they want, and to ban people according to those rules. I would say that .world admins are probably just trying to do their best in enforcing their rules, and unfortunately that means that most likely you’ll be cut off from .world for the next 5 months 🫤

  • cm0002@lemmy.world
    751·
    1 day ago

    Eh, kinda half and half. Kids these days seem to forget rule #1 of the internet: if you’re under 18 never admit it anywhere, anytime, for any reason.

    Hell, don’t even admit you made your account when you were underage, but aren’t now. I’ve seen regular forums and MMORPGs ban people who admitted they were underage at the time they made the account, but not anymore

    • AttacktoWin@lemmy.world
      8·
      13 hours ago

      I feel like the rules of the internet should be taught again, or at least particularly stuff like “don’t feed the trolls”. All of these engagement based algorithms are too focused on pushing bait content.

  • Draconic NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    326·
    1 day ago

    PTB, this seems really like their overstepping their bounds, @[email protected] has clarified the matter.

    Unfortunately this isn’t the first time Lemmy.world has done something like this using “legal” as an excuse, and probably won’t be the last time. They’re too big so they’ll never get defederated or penalized by any server wishing to stay even remotely relevant so nothing is likely to change.

  • Psythik@lemm.ee
    516·
    10 hours ago

    Good. Minors shouldn’t be on the internet. They should be reading books and going outside.

    I was a minor on the internet once, and it ruined me. I’m horribly addicted to screens.

      • CarbonBasedNPU@lemm.eeEnglish
        57·
        10 hours ago

        Seeing beheadings fucked with me. Then I was shoved down the alt-right pipeline during gamergate and it took until I was nearly 18 to actually internally reflect and improve as a person. I still have issues with the black and white thinking that was so heavily emphasized. I’m working on it but its hard.

        • sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
          21·
          7 hours ago

          Seeing beheadings fucked with me.

          I remember when that shit was going around during the iraq surge i think… i knew it was best not to see that.

    • sag@lemm.ee
      18·
      20 hours ago

      What if they have shitty parents and need to go online to vent?

      Fortunately I have good and supportive parents.

    • Blazingtransfem98@discuss.online
      258·
      1 day ago

      What if they have shitty parents and need to go online to vent?

      That’s the whole point, they want to keep children away from support networks to enforce the idea of parents owning their children. People are going to argue otherwise but as a trans person myself I’ve seen this and you’re not fooling anyone with your lame excuses about protecting kids. People especially those who are vulnerable need support networks, do you know how many trans kids kill themselves because they can’t get the support they need and live with abusive and controlling parents. Don’t tell me it’s to protect kids, I’m not stupid enough to buy that lie and you’re not stupid enough to think I’d buy it.

          • Blazingtransfem98@discuss.online
            71·
            11 hours ago

            It’s weird that you consider actions reminiscent of ownership and control, like trying to keep children away from support groups, or preventing a trans kid from expressing themselves in a way that aligns with their gender identity, responsibility or mentorship. You sound so much like a right wing troll right now, and it’s not funny or amusing.

            What, are you going to say that children don’t understand their gender? That they’re confused? That all parents care for their kids and should be the only influence in their lives? It’s certainly sounds like that’s where you’re going right now.

        • Blaze (he/him) @lemmy.dbzer0.comOP
          91·
          13 hours ago

          Lemm.ee allows 16+ users. They signed up on lemm.ee

          If sag were to get an alt on let’s say Blahaj (not sure they allow underage users, it’s just an example), the LW admins would still ban the new account.

          • scholar@lemmy.world
            6·
            9 hours ago

            So the account on Blahaj would be able to see and interact with any community not hosted on World, World gets to stay compliant with whatever laws it needs to abide by, everybody’s happy and there’s jam for tea.

              • scholar@lemmy.world
                3·
                9 hours ago

                That’s an issue having a more evenly distributed userbase would solve, assuming that multiple, smaller instances wouldn’t also feel bound by similar laws. You can’t eat your cake and still have it.

      • corsicanguppy@lemmy.caEnglish
        210·
        12 hours ago

        That’s the whole point[:] they want to keep children away from support networks to enforce the idea of parents owning their children.

        I wish I had your mind-reading ability. Without that omniscient edge this looks like the weirdest bit of teen O.D.D today.

        • Blazingtransfem98@discuss.online
          81·
          11 hours ago

          Am I supposed to feel insulted? I don’t care what some right wing troll thinks of me. Whether you like it or not, right wing politicians push for these tactics to take support networks away from vulnerable people who they believe to have ownership of.

  • fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    361·
    1 day ago

    Damn, i liked sag :(

    I think i’m going with a soft PTB from my pov. Tbf dbzer0 is pretty lax on rules, especially towards people outside the instance. I don’t think it’s within my place or anyone else’s to ban someone from such a huge part of the fediverse.

    But this highlights the need to decentralize from .world, the fact that a single instance ban can take away such a huge part of the fediverse from a user feels ridiculous.

    I get why they did it, but it feels unfair.

    • Nora@lemmy.ml
      198·
      1 day ago

      I willingly blocked .world that place is a toxic cesspool. It also felt too much like reddit.

      • Dr. Taco@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        114·
        1 day ago

        Yeah, this sort of stuff strikes me as bad for the user affected and for .world, but good for lemmy overall. An active, competent user is being forced to post to non-LW communities exclusively.

        • fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          81·
          1 day ago

          Damn RIP then if I got banned from .world after this post I am leaving Lemmy.

          I hope he doesn’t.

          • Dr. Taco@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
            84·
            1 day ago

            Agreed. But even if he does, this sort of stuff contributes to a reputation and could lead future users to choose to post to communities on better instances. That’s the part I think would be good for lemmy overall.

    • PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1017·
      1 day ago

      I think i’m going with PTB from my pov. Tbf dbzer0 is pretty lax on rules, especially towards people outside the instance. I don’t think it’s within my place or anyone else’s to ban someone from such a huge part of the fediverse.

      Then admins have no place banning people?

      • fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        16·
        1 day ago

        Yeah, that probably wasn’t a good point.

        I feel my point on

        But this highlights the need to decentralize from .world, the fact that a single instance ban can take away such a huge part of the fediverse from a user feels ridiculous.

        Was probably a better one.

        .World is a good instance, but they are too big. Being banned from just any other instance? You can deal with. But being banned off of .world effectively takes away most lemmy content away from you.

        Damn RIP then if I got banned from .world after this post I am leaving Lemmy.

        Ultimately i understand why they did it, but sag was a great poster.

  • comfy@lemmy.ml
    312·
    1 day ago

    Aw, they actually did the ban. That’s unfortunate.

    On one hand, yes, legal liability and all that, but on the other hand half the site is copyright violations. The law only matters sometimes. I say this as someone who has hosted web communities myself, there’s no reason to be banning for something like age on these instances, especially when we’re talking 16 and not 12. It’s unenforceable and trivial enough that there’s no legal pressure to do so.

    • CarbonBasedNPU@lemm.eeEnglish
      3·
      10 hours ago

      I just think they should make a new account and not say that they are underage. I don’t so much have a problem with people being underage online but saying that you are is putting an unnecessary target on your back.

  • Thekingoflorda@lemmy.world
    4220·
    1 day ago

    Hey, I’m the one that decided to ban this user. I understand the frustration, but it is very much in the TOS of lemmy.world and has been for a long time.

    We are having an internal discussion to see if there’s room to lower the age to 16 and if we can make exceptions for federated users.

    I hope you see that this really isn’t meant as a powertrip, and we are just trying to protect the Lemmy.world site.

    Sorry if I do not respond to comments quickly, it’s late in my timezone.