I apologize if this is old news, but I just noticed it. It looks like Kagi has added Fediverse Forums as a default Web search option.

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        9 days ago

        lets see if federation can keep the hawks away. they will certainly be trying (again) once we hit critical mass.

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    11 days ago

    Cool. Wish more search engines would do that.

    But, as far as Kagi goes, it’s a paid service and it’s an American company. So I won’t be using them.

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        Search engine? I started rawdoging urls a while ago.

        The internet is increasingly more useless, the sites i really need are bookmarked anyway.

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          I started rawdoging urls a while ago.

          Works best when you’ve got a web ring or other friendly community of contributors to reference against one another.

          But those are few and fair between in the modern day.

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      11 days ago

      Not using Kagi because its an American company is valid. But people are too used to products that are free because they make the person using them the product. There is still a transaction with a free product.

      Kagi is not free because they respect your privacy and don’t sell your data.

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        I’d happily pay for search, but Kagi is way too expensive.

        10 searches a day, for $5/month? (US)

        Like, that is way too much.

        I can receive thousands and send thousands of emails per day for that price. Is search really that much more expensive?

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          $10/m is unlimited searches though…

          And yeah, searches are actually quite expensive. There’s a LOT of infrastructure that goes into making something unique with your own search engine that isn’t just a wrapper over Google.

          The actual compute cost per search, in 2024, was $0.0125. Kagi states they want to keep Costa below $0.015 per search, but their search partners are a major expense.

          That ofc ignores all the supporting infra, devs, support…etc that goes into making it all possible.

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            The business model just doesn’t make sense then (using search partners).

            Because $60, let alone $120 US, a year is far more than most people would be willing to pay.

            Dunno what to say, it’s just more than most people can justify paying for the service.

            I’m gonna stick with DuckDuckGo and the newly free mullvad cached search

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              I mean, the business model works? They make money, they pay staff, and they are growing.

              I don’t know what you’re talking about, people have price sensitivity of course. You are projecting yours onto “everyone”, is it not a successful business?

              There’s a niche they cater to, if you are not that niche then you are not that niche. Doesn’t mean the niche doesn’t exist.

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        11 days ago

        But people are too used to products that are free because they make the person using them the product.

        That’s definitely one model for operating a public service, but its far from the only one.

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    I’ve been using Kagi for about a month now, and I think I’m gonna stick with it. Paying with dollars instead of data/attention feels more healthy for everyone involved.

    (Fully realizing, of course, that there’s nothing stopping them from doing both, and that’s why we need better laws. Voting with your wallet will never be a complete solution… but it is something I can do right now.)

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      Every single time with red comes up there’s always this FUD. You, specifically, don’t miss any opportunity to make mention of this. Across Lemmy, which is rather suspicious. Helping the Russian war effort? That’s a pretty big leap here.

      Why?

      Imagine a search engine aggregator aggregating search engine results from multiple sources for aggregation. The more indexes they support the better the results are going to be for everyone, I don’t see this as a problem for data aggregation.

      Why should data aggregation give any sort of shits about geopolitics?

      Regardless, the topic of this post, fediverse search, is part of their own search engine anyways afaik

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          But yandex is useful for those who search in Russian. The low utilization probably comes from a mostly US/EU customer base, but when it is used, it is useful. I would disagree with disabling it. The best would be letting people decide what back ends to use, but that requires a whole rewrite of the search logic on their side, so it’s not happening any time soon…

          BTW in EU we still use a lot of gas and oil from Russia, so it’s quite difficult to avoid giving them money (especially because we don’t know where energy came from for every product we buy).

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      Feel like you’re jumping the gun a bit with this opinion. Kagi is one of the best options if you prioritize privacy. Have a closer look at their policies.

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        Policies can change, they’re for profit, and I’ve heard leadership may be right wing/trumpy but I can’t find clear evidence of it so I want count that against them at this point.

        Either way subscriptions are you giving away your identity essentially. They have you, your name, your credit card, your address, your associated searches, there is a lot to consider here more than just “look at what they say.” You are choosing to give them clear identification of you and your searches. That requires a lot of trust.

        TL;DR: A lot of for profit companies say a lot of things. I am not anti-Kagi but you’re being very reductionist and ignoring valid concerns.

        Edit: I am not against Kagi or spending money on quality services.