Sanders is one of the most popular politicians in the US, and his political analysis and messaging remain as relevant and compelling as ever. But while his Tour to Fight Oligarchy is inspiring and important, the broad left badly needs a political vision that goes beyond Sanders.

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    2 days ago

    I mean they are not the same. Corbyn is the real deal, Bernie is a sellout at best, now a sheepdog for the establishment keeping the voters runnung away to 3rd parties.
    No surprise one of them got framed and the other one is still around.
    Bernie can have his platform to do his show to give their corporate party a progressive face, not the 3rd party candidates who get sabotaged by the Dems and which they try to get of the ballots by lawsuits or any way possible.
    They will fight them harder than republicans.
    If you want to compare him to UK politics he would be a labour politician.
    All talk about being for the people yet doing the opposite.

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        Why TF do you need mainstream politicians?
        3rd party is the only option, or stay in the endless loop like you’ve been doing for a few centuries now

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          You can do politics outside of the system, especially if it’s undemocratic or terminally corrupt. We’re the latter right now, soon to be both

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          Because the system is rigged against 3rd Parties, the Dems and the GOP have worked hard over the decades to make it all but impossible for 3rd Parties to get on ballots. For example, it can vary from state to state the amount, but 3rd party candidates need to get thousands of signatures in each of the counties they want to have their name on the ballot in. Meanwhile the Dems and GOP have gotten state laws passed that automatically put Dem and GOP candidates on the ballots like an reward for voter involvement in the previous election.

          Getting on the ballots at all for 3rd parties costs a lot of money and time to do. It’s generally why you only really see 3rd parties pop up for the presidential election, which just sort of becomes a joke because it’s usually a nutter like Jill Stein.

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            a nutter like Jill Stein

            While there are better ones and I don’t really follow her, there’s no doubt she’s far better than any of the imperialist genociding psychopaths both sides of your uniparty regime endorse.
            What makes her a nutter eactly?

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              there’s no doubt she’s far better than any of the imperialist genociding psychopaths both sides of your uniparty regime endorse.

              Oh anyone who actually thinks that would be sorely disappointed. She has direct ties to Putin, and Michael Flynn. Jill has also refused to call Putin a war criminal.

              Until such a time as we can roll back those state election laws that the GOP and the Dems got put in that make it difficult for 3rd parties to run, we’re going to be stuck with the 2 party system.

              But Jill Stein, she’s just a bit too sus for me, and I’m guessing for a lot of others, since she barely gets any traction each election she’s involved in.

              https://www.newsweek.com/jill-stein-ties-vladimir-putin-explained-1842620

              https://www.factandmyth.com/political-commentary/russias-helping-hand-jill-steins-boost-from-kremlin-putin-interests

              https://www.thedailybeast.com/jill-steins-recount-cash-pays-for-her-russia-legal-defense/

              https://www.newsweek.com/2017/09/08/jill-stein-interview-russia-trump-645722.html

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                You have such great unbiased US regime sources.
                I have shocking news, many presidents and governmet officials, press or whatever have been at a table with Putin.
                So LOL at “She has direct ties to Putin” -
                Is that like the Trump Russian asset conspiracy based on nothing?
                Every time it’s americans on here claiming BS they can’t prove.
                Try harder.

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                  I have shocking news, many presidents and governmet officials, press or whatever have been at a table with Putin.

                  lol she’s never been a government official, unless you want to count her time on a city council lmao.

                  Is that like the Trump Russian asset conspiracy based on nothing?

                  More like based on the statements of former KGB agents, the fact that he has ties to the Russian Mob, how he constantly sucks up to Putin, how Russia has been the main source of his loans for decades because almost no western banks will loan him money. Oh and there’s that time recently that somehow Russian Media who do not have press passes or clearance to be in the White House were there in the White House for the Zelensky meeting, and with all of their security measures, nobody just walks into the White House.

                  Every time it’s americans on here claiming BS they can’t prove. Try harder.

                  lmao seriously? You’re going to pull the “you can’t prove it” and “try harder” crap AFTER you yourself tried to claim that she would be a better choice? Lmao, on the scale of things you can’t prove and you need to try harder at, those blow mine out of the water at how one can’t be proven, and the other is laughably lazy given the previous ascertain.

                  Thank you for making it easier to “Find the Ivan.”

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          I’m part of a 3rd party but the problem is, they don’t win. Eg right now the Democrats could be in power rather than trump. That would avoid absolute catastrophe and keep the west at mid level shit.

          Now trump won things will get bad. I hope that the people will overcome and in 100 years people will say it was a good thing that trump got in, because it galvanised real change. People were put into a position where they had to demand change. Or it could go the other way - there might not even be any people in 100 years to assess. Chaos is dangerous, even well planned, contained chaos, which this isn’t.

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            They don’t win bcs of this dumb defeatist ‘lesser evil/wasted vote’ mentality.
            In EU there are plenty of parties that started from 2% and have grown until they become a force and get a place in government.
            I really hope you get your true change now.
            There would be no Trump without the dems creating that climate making it possible.
            And their horrible tone-deaf politicians making clear you would get more of the same as under Genocide Joe.
            So I’m glad Trump won, a US president fucking up his own country for once instead of others is a win for the world.
            It makes no difference for Palestinians, Yemeni, Syrians or plenty others who rules the country that bombs them or aids the terrorist proxies to do it for them.
            I feel sorry for the few that aren’t part of the massive dem/rep population but that is collateral dammage.
            It needed to happen.
            How you deal with it is up to you.