“Fox proposes new brand of locks for henhouse.”
Do people in this thread not understand that Microsoft frequently contributes to Linux? They’ve already lost the battle there. They rely on Linux for servers as much as everybody else.
Not necessarily saying this is a good thing or not, but writing off any Linux contributions Microsoft makes would be pretty silly.
yes they lost the battle, now they’re most likely aiming to win the war.
Or they’re just adding improvements to the software they heavily rely on.
I don’t trust or like Microsoft, but the likelihood of there being malicious intentions in this is incredibly low. Just imagine the fallout if Microsoft tried to sabotage the kernel.
Or they’re just adding improvements to the software they heavily rely on.
which they can do in private any time they wish, without any of the fanfare.
if they actually believe in opensource let them opensource windows 7 1, or idk the 1/4 of a century old windows 2k
instead we get the fanare as they pat themselves on the back for opensourcing MS-DOS 4.0 early last year (not even 8.0, which is 24 years old btw, 4.0 which came out in 1986).
38 years ago…
MS-fucking-DOS, from 38 years ago, THAT’S how much they give a shit about opensource mate.
all we get is a poor pantomime which actually only illustrates just how stupid they truly think we are to believe the charade.
does any of that mean they’re 100% have to be actively shipping “bad code” in this project, not by any means. does it mean microsoft will never make a useful contribution to linux, not by any means. what it does mean is they’re increasing their sphere of influence over the project. and they have absolutely no incentive to help anyone but themselves, in fact the opposite.
as everyone knows (it’s not some deep secret the tech heads on lemmy somehow didn’t hear about) microsoft is highly dependent on linux for major revenue streams. anything a monolith depends on which they don’t control represents a risk. they’d be negligent if they didn’t try to exert control over it. and that’s for any organisation in their position. then factor in their widespread outspoken agenda against opensource, embrace, extend, extinguish and the vastly lacking longterm evidence to match their claims of <3 opensource.
they’re welcome to prove us all wrong, but that isn’t even on the horizon currently.
1 yes yes they claim they can’t because “licensing”, which is mostly but not entirely fucking flimsy, but ok devils advocate: release the rest, but nah.
I hope we will learn from the SecureBoot debacle and not give Microsoft the primary signing keys and infrastructure for this again.
You can generate your own.
Yes I can. But I am a Linux system administrator with 20 years of experience. This should not be the level of measurement for stuff like this. 😉
What I meant was: Don’t put a Microsoft master trusted authority in the Kernel, unless one chooses to install a Microsoft distribution. And don’t go the SSL/TLS way with the huge number of default authorities that get installed on every system. It would be a pain to be forced to always build my own Kernel again just to keep Microsoft or any other institution/company that I find untrustworthy out of it.
@ikidd After years of Embrace, extend and extinguish, and now the cloud and copilot stuff, can’t put my faith on Micro$oft anymore, EVER 🙅🙅🙅♀️
Certainly don’t take my posting of this as an endorsement of anything Microsoft does. I loathe Microsoft.
VSCode is one of the best free editors second only to Neovim (and maybe DoomEmacs), and the world runs off GitHub whether we like it or not. Azure runs Linux, and a lot of work has been put into WSL to where it’s pretty darn handy if you’re forced to use company Windows hardware but need to do Dev/SRE tasks.
Windows 11 and Teams though can die in a tire fire.
If you don’t want telemetry, you have to use VScodium, and then you don’t get to use marketplace. Github didn’t start as a Microsoft project or it would be far more enshittified than it is now, but even so Microsoft is sure trying to fuck that up with their Copilot bullshit.
WSL is the definitition of EEE, and has prevented a great deal of Linux-ward movement that might have happened without it, even with IT department resistance. It’s a crutch to keep devs from having to go to Linux to get the useful tools, like docker which is a mess on Windows, but just usable enough to get by.
And oh, yes, Teams can get shot with a ball of its own shit and fall into the dumpster fire.
@ikidd @BaconIsAVeg Correct on WSL, one of the best Trojan horse ever built.
Embrace, Extend, Extinguish
I have zero trust in Microsoft’s intentions here.
I have zero interest in anything Microsoft has to say about Free software.
