• lorty@lemmy.ml
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    9 days ago

    Can someone explain how you are supposed to get Russia to leave? Sanctions didn’t work, lethal aid didn’t work, F-16s didn’t work, and striking Russia itself isn’t either.

    You can argue for the war to continue I suppose, but Ukraine isn’t winning and I’m not seeing anything here that would change that fact.

    • So you believe there is some magical weapon “X”, when given to Ukraine, will make Russia leave? There is one, it’s nuclear bomb lol. Other than that, it’s not a specific weapon type that has to be provided, but a steady flow of a range of weapons.

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        9 days ago

        The point I’m making is that they are receiving the weapons the US and Europe can make/spare, and they are still losing on the battlefield. If negotiating is not the way to go (as the meme implies) then what’s the way to victory? As it’s going, every man in Ukraine will die and they’ll still lose.

        • “Every man” will not die, because they intentionally not mobilising the young men. They also did hold for several months completely by themselves while West was scared and only talked about sending diapers & bandage. They also survived when US stopped their aid completely for 6 month. It’s been 3 years since the hold against a supposedly “2nd army in the world”, so they are definitely not losing. They did an incredibly well job given their resources, if they ask for more, who we are to decide for them?

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            8 days ago

            They did an incredibly well job but are still losing the war and territory because Russia has more meat to throw on the battlefield and a bigger economy.

            Dragging the war with foreign aid is not providing any resolution, it’s making the EU look as weak headless chicken who can’t come up with a concrete plan to stop a war on its doorstep.