rumors about the Russian leader’s failing health.
Yeah yeah, we’ve had these for years now. Wake me up when Russia’s new president signs a peace deal that isn’t a full on annexation of Ukrainian territories with nothing in return. If that ever happens.
Putin cancer and Trump legal consequences: this time for sure™️
It will be true eventually
That’s true. But it’s also true that the guy isn’t immortal.
Technically not proven yet. Hopefully soon.
When the time eventually comes, I wonder how big of a bloodbath the change of regimes will be?
Hopefully Trump and Putin’s bodies take care of the problems for the world sooner rather than later
The bigger issue is that Trump and Putin are just the most visible part of the problem.
If they both died tomorrow (oh god please), another would simply take their place. It would require a complete deprogramming of their supporters on the scale of Germany in 1945. The problem is that the entire government needs to fall for that to ever even be attempted. It would literally require a revolution or large scale invasion for that to happen at this point, and even then, as we’ve seen with Russia and Northern Africa quite a few times, revolutions have a tendency to just pave the way for the next lunatic to take power.
In USA, invasion isn’t really possible, so it would have to be an incredibly violent and costly (in human lives) revolution, with a slim chance to actually change anything.
An invasion of Russia is probably possible, but it would require some insane inside help to make sure they don’t just nuke everything when they realise they’ve lost anyway. A revolution probably wouldn’t do much, because of the brainwashing problem.
Either or both of them dying couldn’t hurt.
SovietRussian succession always takes a power struggle between rivals before things are consolidated.Vance has the charisma of a turnip.
hey now that’s just mean
turnips don’t deserve such disrespect ;-;
I can’t speak for Putin, but MAGA is a cult of personality. Once HitlerPig assumes room temperature, there will be a vicious battle for leadership, and at least half of the MAGA Morons will drop out without their divine leader to follow. Its very likely they will pivot to making him a religious figure.
The traditional GOP will try to recapture their hegemony over the party, and the Sociopathic Oligarchs will wage a war to keep and expand their influence. They will all try to float a new leader, and we can expect HitlerPig Jr to make a big attempt, but he’ll be recieved the same way as Frank Sinatra Jr - with a yawn. Anyone else will be accepted even less.
I hope the battle for control of the party will result in internecine violence, so the Dems can regain power, and use the crimes and violence of the MAGAs to crush them, and purge them from government and society.
I think if that happened, the push against other nations would at least get a reprieve as infighting takes over, especially if Putin bites it.
There are a lot of people who want to be king and they’ll all likely have plots to take out their rivals and consolidate power
Any micro organism inside of them has my support.
By the time you’re 70/80 years old your thymus has basically just turned into fat cells and can no longer create new T-cells for your immune system. We just need the right microbe to enter.
New world order: Putin dies, successor adopts democracy and joins NATO, Trump leaves NATO and goes full authoritarian, US becomes new dictatorship while Russia becomes new leader of the free world.
Even if Putin’s successor adopts real democracy, it will take generations to change the national psyche that thinks they need a strong leader. As much as the west hates Putin, he does have real support among the people. At least as long as he remains strong.
Most importantly, it takes rewriting their school books… The Russian school books on mathematics and on Russian language rant about Russian supremacy.
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I mean, the US and Germany essentially reversed roles.
Also China and Japan.
Wtf is this simulation, so fucking bizzare and absurd.
This comment actually broke my brain, please tell me this is bait 😭
A Russian leadership change would be good enough to stop the Ukrainian war. Any new leader would need resources close to hold power.
This also just wont happen, Trump is the figure uniting the fascists in the US when he pops it topples and the spell is broken. There is a lot of horrible factors and clean up to be done but Trump doesn’t have the means to go full auhtoritarian I dont think.
Trump is the figure uniting the fascists in the US when he pops it topples and the spell is broken.
I sincerely hope so, but I don’t find that likely. People aren’t turning to fascism just because they like him, they’re doing so because they aren’t able to think critically, or are hateful, or are looking for easy answers to the complex issues fucking up their lives, or all of the above.
Trump didn’t get to power in a vacuum. The political environment is ripe for it.
Absolutely, but Trump is the centre of it. There is a reason fascism fails after leaders die, it is difficult to sustain. There isnt enough foundations yet for itnto survive after.
Even so, Drumphs “charisma”, whatever the fuck that is, is the glue holding all the shit people together. JD Vance isn’t going to be able to threaten GOP congressturds and senaturds with primaries. No-one even likes him, it’s just his attachment to Drumphs starfish that gives him any power.
Russia has tried joining NATO before, NATO wasn’t really interested. It’s one of the main reasons Russia is convinced NATO is inherently hostile to Russia.
That is absolutely not why Russia dislikes NATO, it’s because NATO was built to defend against russia (CCCP/URSS which was led by russia).
That’s also why the anti-bully club rejected the bully
Well, yes, NATO was built to oppose Russia, that’s why they refused Russia membership, and why Russia considers NATO inherently a threat. And why “Russia joins NATO” is a non-starter, Pution or no Putin.
Defending from something doesn’t really mean opposing something in this sense.
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I’ve got autocorrect switched off, but these kinds of corrections have lately started happening.
Anyway, corrected “need” to “mean”.
Does it? If you’re defending, it’s presumably from an attack, which you are thereby opposing.
I mean, imagine if Russia and the US announce tomorrow that they formed a military alliance - it’s just defensive, don’t worry about it. Also, UKIP, AFD, and FN won, and the UK, Germany, and France are joining, too. No, the rest of NATO can’t join, but it’s just defensive, don’t worry about it. Also, Taiwan can’t join, but China might. Don’t worry about it.
I get that exclusion doesn’t necessarily have to mean hostility, but I don’t think it’s a stretch to see a power block forming that deliberately excludes you and be concerned. Now, I could think of a few ways of dealing with that concern that don’t involve, yknow, going to war, but I’m not the guy running things.
Russia’s behaviour whilst holding a veto in the UN Security Council pretty much proves to NATO that Russia would only be an obstacle, and no asset at all. Fuck Russia! With a giant cactus. No lube!
Die, bitch, die. 🙏
can putin take trump with him
In Egypt, leaders were buried with their property…
Trump was probably the one who contaminated him
Hooo! If this is true Russia’s in for it. He’s been very effective at eliminating any possible successors. Hopefully the nukes stay safe.
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Here’s hoping
Oh cool everybody loves a Russian power vacuum
What about second Kursk invasion?
Is that like a very tight power bottom?
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No, it’s probably worse this time. That wasn’t a vacuum so much as two organised coups in quick succession.
You mistyped Chinese vassal state
One thing is sure. Zelenskyy will outlive him.
And I hope Putin outlives the Russian Federation.
…and dies as soon as possible, anyway. Preferably before April.
Please stop, I can only get so happy…
Between now and that party day there is still a lot of time for Putin to fuck things over. Be ready.
Also, when Putin dies, who will take over? I can guarantee you that Russia won’t be a human loving democracy after he’s gone, it’ll just be the next dictator who takes over. Putin will make sure his legacy is perfect (because for guys like him, it’s all about bullshit like dynasty and legacy) and then place the next Putin but probably worse.
Also, please take trump and the US government with you?
He won’t plant anyone as long as his legacy isn’t flawless. It will never be.
For now, anyone who could became the next vladelets (🤮) is seen as a threat by Putin, and handled accordingly.
But… Putin was planted by KGB, and KGB/FSB does have a plan for whom to plant.
Haven’t we heard this one before?
Satan is eager to collect.
Iiiiiiin the afterlife, he’ll be headed for some serious strife. He can make the scene all day, but tomorrow there’ll be Hell to pay…
Wow, that’s a flashback.
I haven’t thought about Squirrel Nut Zippers in at least 20 years.
Streetlight Manifesto has an excellent cover of that song as well, if you’re interested!
Yup. He had a cancer and mostly healed from it.
Happens.
I always wondered about his health. I’ve seen state photos of him sitting at the end of a ridiculously long table. People interpreted it as a power move, but it could also be because his immune system is fucked. Not a doc, but I know there’s quite a few treatments that end up suppressing the immune system.
Although given the amount of people he’s ordered poisoned, I’d want to keep my distance from everyone who might hold a grudge too.
Putin being at the end of the table is probably because he’s terrified of being assassinated, but the photos of him at the last Victory Day Parade look terrible. Out of makeup, he looks look a walking corpse.
IIRC the long tables started during COVID.
Not too long ago there were videos of him where his hands were shaking until he grabbed the table.
people can live a long time with parkinsons
But many kinds of medicine can induce Parkinson’s.
I’m sure the next soulless monster is lined up to take control of the cesspool.
They’ll have to fight the other soulless monsters to the front of the line.
This will be a clash between organizations, not between people per se. KGB/FSB will fight other branches of the Russia’s junta for whose candidate will get the job.
If Putin dies, a successor might (secretly) align with Ukraine. Something like “If you attack XX, I will remove my troops from ZZ, if you don’t attack me. I will be focusing on a bread & butter campaign if I run Russia. Take care of my rivals in the meantime, mm’kay?”
Mind, I would prefer Russia outright being conquered and Marshall Planned into something completely different, but I would accept the other scenario if the outcome could be decent. In this case, Ukraine gets back Crimea and all other territories, plus security guarantees.
Marshall Plan
who would invest in russia? honestly? belarus? it’s other parasites?
Considering how Western Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan turned out after their Marshall Plans, I think there is a lot of evidence that reforming and rebuilding a country helps with making them into democratic major powers. I would guess the EU would do it, and Ukraine would want their neighbor to stop being a jackass.
Poland certainly wouldn’t want Ukraine to annex Russia, that just means a new rival on their doorstep. Ditto for Turkey, since they are a naval bottleneck, and wouldn’t want a Uber Ukraine to get ideas. So on and so forth. A lot of nations would rather a smaller and reformed Russia, than a bigger and hungry Ukraine. Better to foster small but capable democracies that want to be part of the EU bloc.
Honestly, there’s a solid argument that one of the reasons for post-soviet states being what they are today is that the dissolution of the USSR wasn’t followed by a Marshall Plan of some kind. OTOH, it’s questionable if it was even feasible to pull one off considering the size of the USSR.
Valid points, but asking Ukraine to help rebuild that shitstain of a country is beyond the pall for me.
I would assume that Ukraine would also get a Marshall Plan. The place is rich with resources and food, but lacks the infrastructure to take advantage. That makes Ukraine suitable for investment, since the EU would get a healthy trading partner in the long run. As with Russia, letting Ukraine rot after the conflict could lead to trouble down the line, so keeping democratic Ukraine in good health is key to keeping the peace.
Be it pragmatic or moral, there is a great deal of value in well executed Marshall Plans for everyone involved.
they gotta get rid of putin first.
I dunno, you make valid points, but I cannot foresee a peace with that ghoul
I wasn’t advocating for his survival. His elimination is a prerequisite to a genuine Marshall Plan. The question is what happens after his death, and that means supporting Russian leaders who prefer democracy over the old ways.
supporting Russian leaders who prefer democracy over the old ways.
genuine query: who’s left now that navalny was murdered?
The EU would. Agains denuclearisation for example and strong pro democratic levers.
No one would just pour money into russia like in the nineties though ofc.
I see the validity of that, but after seeing the russian populace’s disregard for the horrors in ukraine I kinda feel reluctant.
We have to do a full german-1945 on them ofc.
No one would just pour money into russia like in the nineties though ofc.
Did that happen? If so, it didn’t work very well, they’re literally called the “hungry nineties” locally.
Big companies who invested billions and billions started in the nineties.
If you’re thinking of the oligarchs, it was more like they pocketed billions and billions of dollars of existing Soviet stuff. The input required was just politics and personal risk.
No I thought of the megacorps like Exxon and Total who actually invested billions to get the resources out if the ground. And lots of other companies who invested in different stuff. I doubt that will happen again, at least in the near future.
pfft the oligarchs loved it.
Europe, because being next to a giant (nuclear?) power vacuum is bad. I guess I have to think it would be less than enthusiastic, though, and there’d be a temptation to do the Morganthau plan even though it’s a crime against humanity.
That said, there will be no conquering, because of that “nuclear” thing.
Considering the shit state of the country to start, a punitive action would probably be overkill anyway. I just hate seeing a single euro go to rebuild anything in Russia after the last few years of them destroying Ukraine.
Eh, try not to think of it as a collective sin. They have a shit government now and no history of having a government that’s not an autocratic nightmare of some kind. People go along with it, but they would anywhere. Just look at the US now.
try not to think of it as a collective sin.
really, I do try, but holy hell is it hard with the ghouls we see in their populace absolutely celebrating the shitshow.
and, any first step to aiding russia has to include the end of putin.
It’s far more likely that China will take the East back while new Russia is in turmoil. Japan may decide it’s time to retrieve the Kuriles and Sakhalin, too. And Siberia is ripe for independence, too. A broken up Russia would be better for the world imho. Obligatory: Fuck Russia. With a cactus. No lube…
I don’t think our positions are mutually exclusive. I am thinking Russia in the west getting the Marshall Plan reform treatment would be done, and what you described also happening. That would make it easier for the EU to handle the Russian territory closer to home.
Plus, China tearing off a haunch of Russia might be good for peace in the long run. It would allow Xi Ping to have a victorious legacy, without having to attack Taiwan. The Chinese tiger might sleep while digesting the territory it reclaimed from Russia.
I’m good with anything that neuters Russia. They are a curse on the world, as they are now. In your scenario, China gains back it’s old possessions whilst learning that invading ones neighbours only results in bad things, so that’s an extra bonus for the world imo.
