Libs would rather attack anti-genocide protesters than oppose genocide.
See also: previous administration, failed presidential candidate, comments in this thread, etc.
ITT: Great examples of why the US has failed. Too many people trying to say “c’mon it’s bad but not that bad!” Actually it is, these are all tests to see what the population will put up with, they’re boiling the frog slowly and the frog is telling anyone trying to help it to “calm down”.
Seriously. It is disgusting to me the number of people in these comments saying that it’s not “disappeared” unless it comes from the Baidibek region of South Kazakhstan, otherwise it’s just sparkly intermittent periods of people not knowing where he is before he’s found again in some heinously abusive private prison without having been charged with anything.
The title here is very misleading (probably for clicks). Both his supporters and the media still onoe where he is… in a Detention Facility in Louisiana.
So, you’re a Trump loving bootlicker? Nice. I’m tagging every MAGA fucker.
There was a significant length of time when they didn’t.
Both of the white people who were recently accidentally thrown by ICE into detention centers designed for brown people reported (a) that they were horrifying, with nonstop screaming, solitary confinement, shortages of fundamental human things like clothing and towels, that kind of thing (b) there were people who had been there for a long, long time (the more recent one said “years”). Reportedly, even for white people who clearly don’t “belong there,” there is a shortage of judges who might ever give them a hearing which would lead quickly to them being able to get out, and so in they stay.
Khalil has been disappeared. The fact that people temporarily know where he is after not knowing for a few days (!), and that they found someone who was an “immigrant” and so ICE had some kind of fig-leaf of justification to randomly snatch because Trump told them to, in no way detracts from the horrifying nature of what’s going on. I think “disappeared” is a pretty accurate description even if it’s been temporarily announced where he is.
I don’t know what to do. This article is one of the first I’ve read in the press that is as alarmed as people should be about what is going on.
I wonder who runs places like that. They should stop and it should be looked into.
As I understand it, the worst places are usually run by private companies contracted by ICE, and operated day-to-day by some of the worst people you could imagine.
Being disappeared means one day someone vanishes. No-one knows where they are, what happened to them, or who is responsible. This is not that.
That literally happened and it was the high profile nature that got him found. So many people without the resources and support do lose family members this way.
They attempted to do this to this person.
They didn’t at first… and if it hadn’t gotten so much attention, who’s to say what could have happened?
People’s whereabouts being uncertain just after detention is simply standard bureaucracy. It certainly doesn’t rise to the level of being disappeared.
There is not even a vague pretense that they had the bureaucratic authority to snatch him, or that it’s for any reason other than him being opposed to their policies politically and speaking up about it.
He has a green card. He is not accused of a crime. They’ve simply decided that they can snatch people they don’t like and do whatever they want with them. And you know what? So far, they’re right.
Which is shitty, but not near the level of being disappeared.
That’s… literally what it is? Is there a magical threshold of time or number of protesters illegally whisked away where it suddenly becomes a problem?
Get your head out of your ass
Not the first time nor the last headlines will lie.
We really do need to choose words wisely when we talk about these things. Inflammatory language only serves to undermine your argument when your claims can be dismissed as exaggeration. Is this a horrific situation? Yes. Is it illegal? Almost certainly. Is it the brazen disregard of law and public opinion people are claiming? Not yet! The Trump admin is allowing Khalil access to family and lawyers, and he will have his day in court. When the arrestees aren’t located in a day and given due process, then we can call them disappeared. Until then, call this what it is and no more. Be factual so people can’t as easily dismiss your facts.
Is it the brazen disregard of law and public opinion people are claiming?
What? Yes it is that
His own lawyers don’t even know where he is. He might already be out of the country.
Due process?
There is no pretense that he has committed a crime, or isn’t in the country legally. He has a green card.
What the fuck do you mean, due process?
The holocaust was legal. In that sense, the sense of “they are ICE and so by definition, whatever fucked-up thing they do is ‘legal’,” they are following due process. If there is any other one, I’m not aware of it. Can you help me understand?
Fuckin’ due process. What on earth do you mean by that? What process are they following?
Due process means the process of going through the court system. Nothing more. The courts are there, almost in theory at this point, to determine legality and/or guilt. Cases can get tossed over illegal actions by law enforcement.
But, for most people the damage has already been done even if they are not found guiltily. That’s what these actions were, to send a message.
They didn’t go to a grand jury or get an indictment.
They didn’t have a warrant.
They attempted to say they were cancelling his visa, which they actually would be able to do, although actually deporting him is supposed to require a hearing in front of a judge. They appeared surprised that he was now a permanent resident, and appeared to say that without any type of court proceeding being involved, they were “cancelling” that too, which isn’t even remotely how it works.
The fact that there are still courts operating somewhere else in the country, applying to other people who are being subject to some other types of proceeding, does not mean that in this case they somehow magically apply to this guy. It seems extremely clear that they do not, and no one intends to have them start.
That doesn’t have to be the end of the story, of course. But they still might completely get away with it. There are, as far as I know, still some people in Guantanamo who have been there for decades without any kind of chance to challenge the accusations against them, and no one seems to mind all that much.
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First they came for the activists, and I
__speak out.That aside, I have to say, this author is savage.
Disappeared means not knowing what happened to someone. We know what happened here. This is egregious, but not for why they say it is.
Would you prefer “attempted disappearing” (since they weren’t successful?
They blasted it on the WhiteHouse.gov page. It wasn’t even an attempted disappearing. It was a brag… so, to answer your question: No.
Media organizations seem to have a problem reporting accurately. Either it’s this fluffy-assed senationalization to get clicks, or it’s a false equivocation or downplaying like with “resembling a Nazi salute” when reporting on Musk. Reporters and their publications have become so weak-willed. Journalism is dying a hard death.
No, because they didn’t attempt to disappear him.
They abducted Khalil, took him to an ICE detention center in New York City, then moved him to a different, undisclosed facility. For all of Sunday, Khalil’s wife and lawyer could not locate him; he had effectively been disappeared. Only yesterday did they finally discover his whereabouts: a privately owned ICE detention center flagged by human rights organization for severe medical neglect and both physical and sexual assault.
For a full day, he had been disappeared.
No he hadn’t. Because people who have been disappeared are never seen or heard from again. It’s like claiming someone was murdered, but later recovered.
We haven’t hit the heat death of the universe so I’m holding out hope that nobody in history has ever been disappeared.
Don’t you have boots to be licking?
