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  • I respect thay you might have a different point of view based on your experiences. I also have family in the UK that so i’m there regularly and follow what is going on. But the fact is that of those that usually wear jewish symbols, 61% avoid wearing them on occasion for their safety and additionally according to this EU survey almost a third is considering emigrating (of the 12 countries surveyed the average was 38% so UK is slightly better than most countries for jews)

    https://fra.europa.eu/sites/default/files/fra_uploads/fra-2019-2nd-survey-on-discrimination-and-hate-crime-against-jews-in-eu-ms-country-sheet-uk_en.pdf

    Looking at hate crime rates since that survey, they have boomed since the october event.

    It does not suprise me at all that it is difficult to acknowledge that people with other backgrounds are subject to hate because that is how we are built. We rather look away and instead of finding out how the situation is, we go by how we feel things are which is why it is good to have statistical resources that paints a picture for the group as a whole.

    I acknowledge that jews probably have better chances with authorities than other minorities but that also is not the reason they don’t feel safe wearing their religious symbols.

    I hope you understand that i don’t want to make this a “they have it worse” thing. I want to show that their safety is not great, as here a third of their synagogue budgets go to private security. You can’t say that about any other group.


  • I mean yeah it does sound like you have a problem with double standards in portugal, no denying that. All i can speak for is what ive seen and what the statistics say. And what iv’e seen is that Jews wearing a kippa are getting shouted at from across the street while muslims absolutely get their share of hatered but they are in no mean in danger just by showing their faith not at the same level so jews here don’t show their religious symbols. We have had weekly pro-palestine protest where they shout praising the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam brigade while in swedish they have much milder wording. And thats fine here, we allow protests and noone is going to stop them. Most people just let them do their thing. I support a part of their message with a free palestine but not the hateful rhetoric. The statistics is quite telling, but for sake of comparison, lets look at UK.

    33% were on jews, 38% on muslims. By population count, they have a factor of 12 times more crimes against them.

    Anyhow the argument that they should move or give up their country is no better than what the israeli government is doing right now.



  • Do you have a source on that dual citizenship claim? If you look at how they are treated even in Sweden, can you imagine forcing them to move back to the neighboring states where many of them came from?

    Israeli politics are shitty and they are comitting war crimes but but lets be honest, jews are not safe anywhere else than perhaps the US. Having them move or just giving up their own country is no better than forcing the US to give back their country to the native americans. We are living in the now and most israelis are born in israel and are not responsible for what is happening there. The only good solution is to have two states, everything else will result in further conflict.