How so? It’s the same subject, Russia. The same object, fascist ideology. On one side they condemn it, on the other they prop it up.

Had I said a different subject or object, I would have agreed. But here I need you to help me out, I don’t see whataboutsim.

Once the investigation comes to a close, I hope you don’t mind if I drop a more fact based source here, if I don’t forget, and if one will exist in English.

From the current Romanian reports, some facts emerged that are no longer allegations, like the 2 Russian agents being kicked out of the country and the leaked conversations between them and leaders of the “Vlad Tepes” group, main reason for their expulsion.

Thank you for taking your time with this random thread, in any case. And for your willingness to meet me on middle ground. Truth needs to prevail.

We may be arguing past each other.

The proof you provided, I never denied. I am painfully well aware of the liberal psy-op.

My claim: Kremlin agents supported a fascist nationalist group (that also consider Georgescu the real president) called “Vlad Tepes” in a plan to overthrow the government. This is still not refuted by anyone. The only sources I found in English you dismissed out of hand, while the investigation in Romania is still ongoing.

Fully agree, sadly Romania has nothing anywhere near anything resembling socialism, corruption is rampant with or without fascists taking center stage. If it’s not American bootlickers in power, it’s so called “suveranists” who would bend over backwards for anyone giving them an edge in local politics.

Yes, you are supposed to read Romanian if you’re arguing with a Romanian about events happening in their own country.

The made up shit I see so far in this thread is handwaving dismissal of sources without any back up whatsoever. What sources do you present that contradicts what I claimed so far, aside from laughing at sources dismissively?

Yes, I fully agree that the government tolerated these fringe groups for too long. There is no excuse for that. They suddenly gained visibility recently, and part of the group of actors involved in that rise in notoriety is Moscow.

AP news: https://apnews.com/article/romania-russia-treason-coup-plot-detain-diicot-437213648450f20031f76b53266ce50c

Wiki in Romanian about the group https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comandamentul_Vlad_Țepeș

Some more Romanian sources: https://newsweek.ro/actualitate/doi-membri-ai-gruparii-vlad-tepes-arestati-alti-patru-lasati-acasa-sub-control-judiciar

https://www.gandul.ro/actualitate/negocierile-dintre-membrii-gruparii-comandamentul-vlad-tepes-si-moscova-in-mai-o-sa-porneasca-agitatie-ce-s-a-vorbit-despre-calin-georgescu-20458493

https://www.stiripesurse.ro/ce-este-si-cand-a-fost-infiintat-comandamentul-vlad-tepes-condus-de-general-in-varsta-de-101-ani-cum-arata-planul-de-reorganizare-al-lui-radu-theodoru_3604855.html

Discredit those too, please

And then, discredit their own admission of the facts while you’re at it: https://www.stiripesurse.ro/prosecutors-release-report-on-getia-treason-case-intercepted-conversation-excerpts-included_3605815.html

Never stated Kremlin was the only one backing Georgescu, liberals also had their role to play in this farce. But I meant the “Vlad the Impaler” paramilitary fascist group with direct ties to Moscow https://www.rferl.org/a/romania-vlad-the-impaler-group-russia-coup-plot-treason/33348058.html

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And yet Kremlin can’t stop from propping up the fascist Legionnaires in Romania “for democracy”.