This is a wide spread phenomenon on the platform. Sometimes its just a few comments or even dozens of comments in response to an original comment on a post being grouped together in another button saying (x number of replies) but when you open those replies its either nothing, or significantly less replies than the prompt described. Its mostly all on posts that are political in nature relating to the current fascist takeover in the USA, Luigi Magnione, amazon union busting, anti laborer’s rights legislation, loosening of child labor laws and other topics related to the wider topics regarding disappearing human rights under emboldening fascist authoritarianism. many of us have seen the news articles that mention allegations of reddit censoring comments and giving people violations for liking certain content but nothing is being said about the actual extent of this censorship. But when you can see hundreds of comments being deleted from a post such as this one here, it doesn’t bode well for the future
Sir, this is a Lemmy
And right now we are seeing s large surge of users transitioning away from reddit to lemmy as a result of this censorship
– and onto increasing centralizing instances where they duplicate reddit’s behavior.
They yearn to be moderated by Jordan Lund 🤡
I commented a lot in political debate subs before I left, and one thing that I noticed is that Reddit would refuse to accept (error out) or act like it accepted and then just outright delete my comments. I don’t have hard data, but one pattern I really noticed is that any comment that included both ‘Israel’ and ‘genocide’ got errored/eaten a very high percentage of the time.
Definitely, though some subs have more of these ‘filters’ in place than others. Worldnews was particularly egregious; innocuous links would have a 50/50 chance of getting a comment shadowbanned, leading to a nosedrive in the quality of discourse as no one was willing to go through that gauntlet to provide sources (or just didn’t know their posts were getting censored).
Of course, any mention of ‘shadowban’ or related words is also an instant shadowban. SOP pretty quickly became to try to open your comment in an incog window to see if it had been turned invisible to everyone but you or not.
Similar thing happens with youtube comments, and probably on a plethora of other platforms as well. Between that and bots and other trickery, more and more of the conversations we see on the internet are manipulated and no longer truly real.
I mean these were political debate subs that presumably exist for the purpose of having these discussions so it seems weird to filter it, but… shrug Reddit be kooky sometimes.
This is not shocking at all when you look at it side by side with the current admin canceling visas for voicing support for Palestine. Big tech has become the censorship arm of fascism.
No indeed, and in fact it just came out the other day that Musk privately pressured reddit to censor shit against him and they did.
Reddit would refuse to accept (error out) or act like it accepted and then just outright delete my comments
Oh, this is pretty standard behaviour on the site in general these days. It’s just a broken mess made by an incompetent company. Their front-end regularly silently disconnects from their backend all of the damn time.
For the most part it’s not censorship, it’s just a badly broken website that doesn’t give a shit about its users’ experience, because it doesn’t see anything else as real competition.
Oh I think some of it is, especially in light of how fashy they’ve become of late banning people for even just upvoting shit about Luigi Mangione.
I would generally agree, except it seemed to crop up more on longer posts in general, and especially on political posts. It even happened using old.reddit, and that’s - as far as I know - an entirely different codebase, though interacting with the same servers, so… shrug
Erroring out is just being broken, but accepting and then deleting comments is a filter that is shadow banning your comment (so that you can’t tell it’s been removed and try to re-post it by circumventing the filter).
But Reddit sent a mass message to moderators telling them how they were expected to moderate any content praising the extra judicial murder of brian Thompson or calling for more political violence against the bourgeoisie…… and now reddit is sending people the same automated response about how liking banned content is against their policy and can lead tk further punitive action against ones account. Basically threatening moderators with banning of the communities they moderate if they did not follow their censorship memorandum.
Even before this last summer my account was permanently IP banned for a comment on a post about israel/palestine that essentially said international law states an occupied indigenous population has the right to defend itself by any means necessary including violent resistance. And i was definitely not the first to experience such censorship.
it’s mind boggling to me why anyone stays on reddit.
It’s a frog/boiling water situation. It never gets suddenly, dramatically worse, it just gets slowly worse over time. I had been noticing some weirdness (described in another comment under this post) for a while and was kinda starting to wonder what was up, but it didn’t rise to the level of ‘Oh I should do something like this’ until I got temp-banned for saying Luigi didn’t deserve to go to jail for what he did (which was then reversed on appeal, but not before I got a message saying I was perma-banned for ban-evasion with other accounts (I’ve had only one account in the 14 years I was on reddit, so that was bullshit), but the ban was lifted instead. It was that combination of an increasing sense that something fucky was going on and an inciting event that made me realize it was considerably worse than I realized. People tend to need an inciting event, otherwise the concern doesn’t overcome the inertia to keep doing what you’re familiar with.
i guess my side of the boiling pot got too hot faster than the rest did and my event was the reddit blackout protest; all of the subreddits i frequented when dark and it forced me onto lemmy.
Yeah, I almost left at that time too, but I didn’t believe the alternatives were really up to snuff. I have been pleasantly surprised to be wrong.
i’m thankful for it; my leftists leaning were already unwelcomed on reddit as much as they are on .world and that episode taught me that the alternatives were significantly better; i would still be on reddit if it weren’t for that and it’s so much better having islands of sanity whose members can see the neoliberal wool being pulled over american’s eyes.
Really? I found lots of pretty far-left subs that were pretty friendly to those ideas. Wish I could find more here, honestly, but the ones I’ve seen seem kinda dead.
those subreddits exist and i was part of them (they were the ones who told me about lemmy) and, yes, they’re dead and/or dying because the constant and overwhelming stream of clueless “gotchas” from people unaware of their propagandization is depressing and tiring AF and that made most/all of the leftists redditors leave for islands of sanity, like lemmy.
i’m only partially grateful that reddit’s enshitification pushed people here since they’re perpetuating the same asshattery that’s made reddit and this country turn into shit.
I just peruse to see the news but i was ip banned for posting comments critical of israel and supportive of Palestinian resistance about a year ago. Hopefully lemmy gets to s point where reddit becomes irrelevant but it is still in its infancy at the moment.
i doubt reddit will ever become irrelevant considering how much people decry the fascism surpression that typifies other platforms like facebook or twitter; but both continuing to enjoy dominance.
Where are the Luigi hot takes on Lemmy? My feeds in Lemmy and other are depressingly sparse on Luigi content.
I get one YT channel pushed to me claiming Luigi has good odds of a mistrial because of how the cops detained him. Lol, not likely but I applaud the tireless optimism it takes to think that.
There is at least one luigi community on lemmy but its pretty small. Reddit deleted at least a dozen luigi Mangione communities that sprung up in the beginning that had hundreds of thousands of members snd now the 2 main groups are free luigi snd justice for luigi mangione there are also a couple anti luigi conservative corporate boot licking communities some think are satirical but are obviously not satire and just massive law enforcement dick sucking boot licking circle jerks one is r/fuckluigimangione its quite ridiculous.
The freeluigi community has done a good job of posting pertinent news and information on the case but it is pretty mild and definitely working hard to neuter any calls for revolution against the wall street billionaire military and prison industry profiteer class to ensure reddit doesn’t shut it down as well or it could be LEO operated to keep an eye out on people who express opinions unfavorable of our billionaire slave masters
I don’t think it’s corporate Reddit. I think it’s mostly moderators co-opting the space and wanting to shape the narrative. As you said, almost all of the distortion has to do with either some corporate interest or some political interest. Wonder why. Anyway, Lemmy’s equally susceptible to it, because it uses the same model. Being a moderator is a thankless and time-consuming job and there’s always a shortage of them, so stepping up to become a mod is pretty much always an option if you are motivated to put some time into it so you can start to shape the discourse within a subreddit or a community.
That stuff is already here on Lemmy at a pretty large scale, it just hasn’t progressed to the late-stage shamelessness that it has on Reddit. On Reddit they don’t even bother to pretend it’s not what they’re doing.
But Reddit sent a mass message to moderators telling them how they were expected to moderate any content praising the extra judicial murder of brian Thompson or calling for more political violence against the bourgeoisie…… and now reddit is sending people the same automated response about how liking banned content is against their policy and can lead tk further punitive action against ones account. Basically threatening moderators with banning of the communities they moderate if they did not follow their censorship memorandum. Even before this last summer my account was permanently IP banned for a comment on a post about israel/palestine that essentially said international law states an occupied indigenous population has the right to defend itself by any means necessary including violent resistance. And i was definitely not the first to experience such censorship.
Hm, true that. I guess it’s both. Synergy.
