This is a prime example of the fallacy fallacy, and maybe also ad hominem.

The fact that someone says ridiculous things like “women are dishwashers”, doesn’t mean that their thesis “there is a male loneliness epidemic”, is incorrect. Additionally, if their arguments are completely wrong, it doesn’t automatically mean their thesis is wrong.

Furthermore, I personally do think that there’s a male loneliness epidemic. While people like Andrew Tate are definitely having a bad influence, we should think, “why are these people popular? What draws young men to listen to misogynists?”. And the reason (I think), is because young men are simply neglected by society, and are generally quite lonely. As a young man myself, I think it is actually kind of hard to make friends. Other men expect me to be “masculine” (aka, be an asshole, be tough, etc.) and simultaneously I’m very reluctant to make friends with women, because I’m kind of scared of falsely being accused of sexual harassment.

I feel like if I say or do the wrong thing (which excludes physically harassing someone), there’s a risk of a woman completely ruining my life by simply accusing me of harassing her. And while the accusation might not become a proper conviction (or even prosecution), the accusation itself is already incredibly harmful for my reputation.

So to avoid that altogether, I simply avoid women in general. Or at least, I don’t approach them. I don’t talk to them, unless they talk to me first. Because if I make the wrong move, if I look at them the wrong way, my life might already be over.

Does this mean I hate women? No. It simply means I hate how people immediately jump to conclusions when they read “man accused of harassing a woman”. Personally, when I read that headline, I don’t immediately think less of that man, unless he’s been found guilty of it.

Does this make me an incel? I don’t really know; I don’t think I’m owed sex in any way, and I don’t think women inherently hate me the moment they see me. I do wish I could have a more feminine friend circle, because it’s currently all men. But yeah, I think things are kinda fucked up right now, but simultaneously I honestly don’t really know what I (or we as a society) could do to fix this.