• squirrel@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    1572·
    4 days ago

    This is a prime example of why patriarchy is hurting men too, because what this guy is saying boils down to:

    • We can make them work at any hour of the day because who cares if these guys have any life outside work?
    • We don’t have to do any work management, we just call those guys
    • We can send them wherever, whenever
    • We can create a toxic work environment and it’s okay to treat guys like shit
    • And those guys don’t even complain because they need this job so bad
      Isn’t it great?

    The statement about “workplace laws” is so telling: Yeah, who cares about treating men with respect and dignity!?
    It’s not just about discriminating against women, it’s also about mistreating men. That’s what patriarchy is at its core: Pit men and women against each other and then reap the benefits. It’s a “divide and conquer strategy”.

    • Si_sierra@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      4·
      3 days ago

      Also practices like that reinforce the gendered division of labour. As men get jobs, women are usually left to pick up the slack of care responsibilities. This leaves them financially dependent on those men. So both men and women suffer, but the system leaves women with less agency than men.

      (Also nonbinary, queer, and third gender people are treated even worse)

  • Maxxie@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    74·
    4 days ago

    So I heard a bunch of sexist shit (about men and women simultaneously which is very impressive) that aligns perfectly with my biases, but I wasn’t aware it’s ok to say out loud? Chat is this real?

    • psivchaz@reddthat.com
      381·
      4 days ago

      This. IF these generalizations are actually true it still doesn’t mean what he thinks it means. I also find the bit about “being strict” particularly gross. If it’s valid workspace criticism, then there’s no laws protecting women from it. So he clearly means something more like “I want to yell and insult and be a little dictator but women might report a hostile work environment.”

  • I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world
    20·
    3 days ago

    To address his points:

    1. How are women any different in this situation?

    2. How are women any different in this situation?

    3. Why do you feel you can treat men harsher than women?

    4. How are women any different in this situation?

    • Empricorn@feddit.nlEnglish
      111·
      4 days ago

      Not necessarily. You’ve never met someone with backwards, toxic views like this?

  • MTK@lemmy.world
    161·
    3 days ago

    My friend said something vaguely sexist, I asked him about it and he detailed his extreme sexism. I couldn’t find faults in his sexism.

    iS tHiS jUsT aN oLd WaY oF tHiNkInG?

  • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
    12·
    3 days ago

    I’m a man and none of that applies to me differently than it would my wife. In fact, she did contract work at crazy hours one year and we made it work.

  • Cypher@lemmy.world
    381·
    4 days ago

    They can travel easily for work trips and meetings.

    So can women in countries where personal transport is available and being raped isn’t as likely.

    • null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      1221·
      4 days ago

      Ex-fucking-zactly.

      I don’t think any of these really apply in countries which aren’t predominantly muslim.

        • null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          138·
          4 days ago

          Discrimination usually requires an act of selection as in “I’m not going to stay in a hotel operated by a muslim bigot”.

          I think you really mean prejudice which is an irrational attitude of hostility.

          However, is it really irrational to suggest that societal expectations of women in predominantly muslim countries would make them less flexible employees?

  • Venus_Ziegenfalle@feddit.orgEnglish
    37·
    4 days ago

    The fact that the standard reasoning that leads to workplace discrimination against women caught him off guard says a lot. Ok his friend didn’t call women too hysteric to work but still the other stuff should sound familiar too.

      • Cheradenine@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        6·
        4 days ago

        It can be so much worse if they have Wandering Womb

        In the middle of the flanks of women lies the womb, a female viscus, closely resembling an animal; for it is moved of itself hither and thither in the flanks, also upwards in a direct line to below the cartilage of the thorax, and also obliquely to the right or to the left, either to the liver or the spleen, and it likewise is subject to prolapsus downwards, and in a word, it is altogether erratic

  • Diddlydee@feddit.ukEnglish
    30·
    4 days ago

    I’m available between 9am and 5pm, Monday to Friday, and not a second more, unless you’re paying me double time. If you call me outside of work hours, I’ll ignore you.

    • thebestaquaman@lemmy.world
      1·
      3 days ago

      In general I agree with this sentiment, but let’s be honest and remember that a lot of jobs are of the type “you are responsible for X, regardless of what time of day it is”. In a reasonable place, that of course comes with the benefit that you can take time off whenever you want as long as X is handled, but I actually prefer the freedom/responsibility trade off of needing to handle shit in the weekends when required, but also being able to not come in to work when I know stuff is running as it should.